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World War 1 and 1914

by Schizm in

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how did it just so happen that a world war took place in the very year that russell had attached so much importance to?

i realize that he expected 1914 to see the end of the world's governments, and of course that didn't happen, but it still seems to be quite remarkable that this war happened that very year ... a war that would later be construed to be the fulfillment of jesus' prediction in matthew 24:7.. the explanation given on the e-watchman site is that satan deliberately caused the war to happen so as to mislead jehovah's witnesses into thinking they had actually seen the fulfillment of bible prophecy, in order to make them think that jesus had returned invisably.. any ideas?.

IT Support

Big Tex,

Even a broken clock is right once a day

Actually, I think it's twice a day--a.m. and p.m.

Regards,

Ken

Edited to add:

Oops. Sorry undercover, I hadn't noticed we'd gone onto a third page...

KS

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"Superior Authorities" - of particular interest to Quotes

by AlmostAtheist in

[reposting here -- where it belongs -- because i'm too brainless to post in the right area to start with!!!

grrr!!!

hey guys, .

IT Support

If it helps, this is a scan of the page from the Make Sure book.

(PM your email address, and I'll send you the original.)

Regards,

Ken

Make Sure p 369

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IT Support (Warning: Language)

by Scully in

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this is pretty funny:.

http://www.illwillpress.com/tech.html

IT Support

Scully,

I forgot to add that it (your original link) was totally true to life.

Regards,

Ken

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607 and Jesus

by kwintestal in

a discussion with my grandmother the other day regarding dates for the destruction of jerusalem raised a question.

she stated that the 607 date can be confirmed by the date that jesus was either born or started his ministry...which i can't exactly remember.

she said this was discussed recently at a meeting, and that if you go by the date that jesus was on earth, you arrive at 607.. can anyone elaborate on this belief and why it is wrong?

IT Support

Kwin,

She stated that the 607 date can be confirmed by the date that Jesus was either born or started his ministry

I think she may be thinking of Daniel's prophecy of the 70 weeks (Dan 9:24-27). This is WT's explanation:

*** w86 10/1 p. 5 Daniel?An Authentic Book of Prophecy *** 70 weeks (490 years) < 69 weeks (483 years) > < 1 week (7 years) > 455 B.C.E. 29 C.E. 33 C.E. 36 C.E. "From the going "until Mes- "Messiah "And he forth of the word siah the will be must keep to restore and to Leader. . ." cut off. . ." the cove- rebuild Jerusalem, nant in force for one week"

As you can see, however, this uses the rebuilding of Jerusalem as a starting point. Do you think she might have confused the rebuilding of Jerusalem with the destruction of Jerusalem (which WT say was in 607 BC)?

If you need to disprove 607 from the Society's own literature, this is a brilliantly simple explanation: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/55372/1.ashx. (Note to Lady Lee: may I suggest this thread is added to your Best of ... WT Chronology thread?)

Regards,

Ken

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A confrontation

by kwintestal in

last night was one of the toughest nights to date in my adult life.. my parents and grandmother had been repeatedly asking mrs. kwin about arrangements to get to the assembly this comming weekend.

she isn't going and my family were unaware of her change in beliefs regarding the wts.

so, instead of putting things off, not giving an answer, avoiding the situation, we stood up.. i'm not sure how long we were there for, an hour, maybe two but it seemed like forever.

IT Support

Hi Kwin,

I feel for you and your wife, and what you're going through right now.

"Lies, Lies, Lies" "the UN is a tool of Satan and put it on their website"

I'm assuming from this that they're denying that WT ever joined the UN.

This is easily disprovable by this GB letter: http://www.randytv.com/secret/wtresponseun.htm.

This is the original Guardian article that caused the WT's knee jerk reaction: http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4277197,00.html.

There were also loads of threads here on JWD (e.g. this is Lady Lee's "Best of..." thread: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/32/76847/1.ashx).

Thinking of you.

Regards,

Ken

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IT Support (Warning: Language)

by Scully in

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this is pretty funny:.

http://www.illwillpress.com/tech.html

IT Support

Hi Scully,

Re: IT Support (Warning: Language)

Whew, I thought it was something I said...

Regards,

Ken

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FALLING IN LOVE: Why the helpless "falling"?

by Terry in

jw
friends

is falling in love "falling" at all?.

falling is helpless.

falling is an accident and can prove deadly or injurious.. why is love not a choice?

IT Support

Terry,

I suspect it may come from the idea that falling is not a conscious decision, is not planned, it just happens unexpectedly...

Regards,

Ken

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I need some answers. Had talk with mother but feeling extremely frustrated

by azaria in

jw
friends

a couple of weeks ago i posted: www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/78808/1278659/post.ashx#1278659 .

for those who don?t want to read the whole post i bolded the part that i would like answers to.

at the moment i?m feeling totally drained and upset.

IT Support

Azaria,

is there anything that might make her think, that this org might be wrong?

I thoroughly agree with M.J.'s comment. Get Captives of a Concept right away (www.captivesofaconcept.com). It is a superbly researched and documented book.

It proves from their own literature why the Governing Body cannot be the 'faithful and discreet slave.' Once that is established, the rest should be a lot easier.

Best wishes,

Ken

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MY CELIBACY VOW AND OTHER QUESTIONS!

by tresbella in

)o.k so last night i made a vow of celibacy to god.

an official promise in prayer to not fornicate so that maybe i too can have a special wedding night.

(my boyfriend was surprisingly supportive) i remember reading a scripture that says a promise made to god should be taken very serious.

IT Support

tresbella,

1.)O.K So last night I made a vow of celibacy to God. An official promise in prayer to not fornicate so that maybe I too can have a special wedding night. (my boyfriend was surprisingly supportive) I remember reading a scripture that says a promise made to God should be taken very serious. Anyone have any suggestions in how I can keep it?

Get married real soon!

2.) Last night at my theocratic meeting the bro. was giving a talk on main points from the district convention so nautrally everyone pulled out their notes. But I noticed that many people had all the same exact notebook with the same cover sheet and notes inside. I've realized that during WT studies and bookstudies many have all the ansewrs including additional ansewrs taken apparently from some type of website. I've heard rumors about websites that give out WT comments as if you're really saying them in your own words and even all ready written up talks. Anybody know of these websites?

There are websites where cited scriptures are listed in full so you can easily print them out. A well-known one is http://www.desinger.com/scriptures/. However it doesn't include any comments or answers. For those I'd refer you to our own Blondie's series Comments You Will Not Hear at http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/32/76759/1.ashx.

3.) Besides your field service history what else is on a publishers card? I heard that when you move to a new congregation (like I myself did 2 years ago but still haven't joined the school) all the problems you had, elder meetings and so on are all recorded on that card. Is that true?

The card does not record such details. But when you move congregation, the service committee (or often just the secretary) from the old congregation will send your record card to the new congregation. They/he will also write a letter telling the new guys all about you and what you've been up to. The elders in the new congregation read the letter then destroy it, so no evidence is kept.

4.) In my old congreagation the elders found out about my boyfriend at the time (I denied everything) and also I was accused of asking too many unnecessary questions and was in risk of "independant thinking" and not "conforming to Jehovah's standards" (this was due to my relentless research and the more I found out about like organ transplants, inconsistincies in the wt and failed prohecies; the more I wanted to speak up ) well it proved uselss but I am suspecting that all this is on my publishers card. The reason I say all this is b/c next week I plan to finally join the school to get my mom off my back. Can I be told that I cannot join b/c of what may be on my publishers card or can I just put on that stepford smile and pretend I'm that perfect angel that the elders want me to be?

You're new elders will already have you marked as a potential troublemaker. They have a totally free hand to decide whether or not to allow you any 'privileges' in the congregation.

5.) Where do you draw the line between being a follower of God and not being one? Is it your actions or faith or both. Can you be an ax murderer and bank robber but at the same time have faith in God and still be considered a follower of God?

I think the answer Christians (i.e. not JWs!) would give is that if God was in you, you would have true faith, and would have no desire to rob or murder...

6.) Am I still that generation that "may never get old" that I was always told when I was younger or has that changed? I don't hear that expression used anymore?

Sorry, tresbella, we were all told that. It's all lies.

7.) So why is their crime, violence and everything else bad? Is it b/c God's sovereignty was tested like the WT teaching explains? What is your explanation.

I think Christians would answer (sorry for any presumptiouness, guys!) that it's because of Adam's sin--but there again, it may just be a manifestation of the 'survival of the fittest' instinct.

Best wishes,

Ken

PS Can't you just tell your mum you don't want to go any more??

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Did You EVER See Yourself Leaving This Religion??/

by minimus in

jw
friends

15 years ago, i would've never thought i'd leave "the truth".

now, i wonder how i could've stayed on so long.

IT Support

Minimus,

My limited experience tells me that to leave the religion you MUST make friends with the "world" first. Invite a neighborhood kid or 2 to your house and play it by ear.

I totally agree, it's just how to best go about it.

Thanks again,

Ken